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[Beginning of
Cramer's
verbatim
comments for
this segment...]
Jim:
If you watch the
show at all, you
know that I've
been a gigantic
backer of
natural gas and
natural gas
stocks on the
show... both as
a cleaner,
greener energy
source than oil
or coal, and as
a great
investment
opportunity, as
I believe prices
could soar in
the next year to
as much as $6 or
$7 for natural
gas, from around
$4 where it is
right now. And
that, I think,
can be
accomplished,
even without any
help from
Congress pushing
my nat gas
agenda.
We can't count
on the federal
government to do
the right thing,
as long as the
pro-black lung,
anti-rainbow
coalition, also
known as the
coal lobby,
holds so much
sway. Still I
think,
eventually,
we'll come to
our senses about
this ideal
bridge fuel, and
I've given you a
lot of great
ways to play the
move in natural
gas. By the way,
it's not a
republican or
democrat
thing... it's
just about how
to make you
money...
Tonight, I've
got another
top-shelf
name... It's
called
Equitable Resources Inc.
(EQT)...
Here's a natural
gas company,
EQT, with one of
the best cost
profiles in the
industry that
also pays a
meaningful
dividend. Right
now, it yields
about 2%... but
what really sets
apart this
company from all
the others in
the industry are
the low finding
and developing
costs... at just
$1.14 per
thousand cubic
feet... versus
an average cost
of $2.16 for its
peers.
This is really
the cheapest
large-capitalization
producer of
natural gas, I
think, in the
world.
Where do they
operate?
Appalachians,
production from
the Huron
shale... the
Baria sandstone
in Virginia and
West Virginia...
It has has
around 69% of
its reserves
there. It's also
drilling in what
we like to talk
about a lot...
we mentioned it
with Governor
Rendell from
Pennsylvania
last night...
the Marcellus
Shale, 9% of its
reserves but,
more
importantly, 40%
of its reserve
potential...
On its
conference
calls, EQT's
management has
said that they
can get finding
development
costs lower than
$1.00 per
thousand cubic
feet in Huron
Shale, and said
the costs are
down in the
Marcellus, with
average drilling
days cut in
half, from 35 to
17... You've got
to understand...
that,
technologically,
this is a
marvel. Well
costs are down
from $5.5
million per well
to $3.3 million.
EQT is mostly a
production
company, but it
also has a
mid-stream
meeting pipeline
business, and a
gas marketing
business. At the
pipeline
business, EQT is
increasing its
capacity at its
Equ-trans
pipeline
gathering
system... That's
something that
could double
capacity...
double earnings
for the whole
pipeline segment
of the business.
You know, when
we're looking at
these companies,
one of the
things that one
of our viewers
alerted us to,
is that we have
to factor in
"hedging"...
hedging of
natural gas
stocks... Who
has the most
exposure to spot
prices, and
where they're
going, and who's
already sold
their natural
gas, locking in
a price... I say
that because,
last week, we
got a fabulous
email from
Jonathan from
Atlanta, asking
about this
issue. So we did
a run through
iMetrics - this
really cool
service - that
allows you to
sift through SEC
filings at
lightning
speed... We
found that
SandRidge Energy, Inc. (SD),
Petrohawk Energy Corp. (HK)
and
Anadarko Petroleum
(APC)
and
Newfield Exploration Co.
(NFX)
are the most
hedged for 2010.
So, if you're
bullish on
natural gas, you
may not want to
be in these,
while
iMetrics.com
tells us that
Comstock
Resources Inc.
(CRK),
Whiting Petroleum
Corp. (WLL),
EOG Resources, Inc.
(EOG)
and
Apache Corp. (APA)
are the four
least-hedged...
They can benefit
from a big rally
in nat gas. So,
from now on,
we're going to
use that prism
too to analyze
natural gas
stocks, because
the less hedged
you are, the
more benefit you
get from higher
prices.
EQT comes down
right in the
middle... 31%
hedged for 2009,
41% hedged for
2010. And we
want to know
what that
hedging strategy
says about the
future of
natural gas
pricing...
More important,
we want to know
how bright the
future is for
this low-cost
nat gas
producer, that
has been a
dynamite stock,
having
appreciated 345%
over the last 10
years, while
the S&P 500
has declined by
17%. And you
wonder why I
profile these
companies so
often?...
What a track
record. Now
let's talk to
Murry Gerber,
the CEO of
Equitable Resources Inc.
(EQT)...
Jim:
Mr. Gerber, welcome
to Mad Money...
Murry:
Jim, it's great to
be back.
Jim:
Oh, it's
terrific to have
you. Look, we think
the future is very,
very bright for
natural gas, but we
looked at your
hedging philosophy,
and we're wondering,
are we too bullish,
given how much
you've locked in
already for 2010?
Murry:
No I don't
think so Jim. We
hedged early along
when EQT bought a
huge position in the
Appalachian basin in
the early part of
the decade, and we
were hedging in our
EBA at that point in
time, so no... I
don't think you
should take anything
about our views on
natural gas from our
hedging program. We
were just trying
to... we were a
small company and
made a big
acquisition, and
that's what we
hedged.
Jim:
Okay, thank you.
That's good. You
have to look at
these things.
They're not
apples-to-apples.
You're in a
different situation
from some of the
other old-line
producers. How come
your production cost
is dramatically
lower than every
other company we
interview?
Murry:
Well, we've
got a great team,
for one thing Jim.
But we also bought
into this acreage in
Appalachia a long
time ago, before
anyone could spell
"Marcellus Shale."
And then, beyond
that, the technology
has been
spectacular. I mean,
we innovated air
drilling...
horizontal air
drilling in the
Huron Shale. Uh,
that helped us
dramatically improve
our reserves per
well, and drive our
F&D (finding and
development) costs
down, as you
mentioned earlier.
And then, at
Marcellus, we're at
$3.3 million average
per well for 3.5 BCF
(billion cubic feet)
reserve per well,
and we're heading
down. So that's
what's happening...
it's a great team,
new technology...
some of which we
invented.
Jim:
Now, I think
that one of the
things that I'm
trying to educate
people on, but you
can do far better,
because you're in
the business... The
numbers that you
were just talking
about... the
technology that you
were just talking
about... You're not
talking about
something that's,
uh, as old even as
the PC, or even the
internet... This
stuff is more
recent, right?
Murry:
Oh, this is
the last five years,
absolutely... We
have a third of our
production coming
from horizontal,
air-drilled wells
this year, and we
didn't even have one
horizontal,
air-drilled well in
2007. So this has
all occurred in the
last few years.
Jim:
So, 10 years
ago, there might
have been a
recognition that
there was gigantic
pot of natural gas
underneath the state
of Pennsylvania, but
it was no different
than if it were on
the moon... It was
not attainable,
right?
Murry:
Absolutely
not attainable, and
that's one of the
key issues that
we're trying to get
across... and I know
you are... how
abundant this
resource is... and
we need to get that
message out, because
far too many people
are saying it's not
abundant. Well, we
have 120 years of
this stuff. And,
even so Jim, we're
talking about only
recovering about a
third of the gas
that's in place in
these shales right
now with this
technology. Imagine
what we'll be able
to 10 years from
now.
Jim:
Well, what's
incredible to me...
and yesterday, with
Governor Rendell
(PA), and he's a
friend of mine...
and in the New York
Times yesterday...
articles about
technology that
doesn't exist... the
carbon capture from
coal... it says that
that technology is
available now...
Never do I see an
article, a piece,
about the technology
that is horizontal
drilling, that is
revolutionary, that
is already working.
Explain to me the
disconnect about how
we can believe in
the canard of clean
coal... because this
thing hasn't even
worked yet... and
not have any faith
in the technology
that's already
producing
trillions...
trillions of square
feet... of cubic
gas. How can that
be?
Murry:
You know, for
a resource that
could supply the
country for 125
years, and mobilize
all our vehicles by
the way, and reduce
our dependency by
75%, save us $300
billion
repatriated... you
know, $300 billion
that we send
overseas... I don't
know, Jim. It is, as
you say, it's
current technology,
no stimulus
required...
American... and,
while we're waiting
for a Hail Mary pass
on this other
technology, I don't
know.
Jim:
We like KMP.
That's a pipeline
company. Would you
ever think about
splitting out your
pipeline and be able
produce that real
good, you know,
Master Limited
Partnership, 7-8%
return on that?
Murry:
Uh, we have
considered... of
course, MLPs have
had a rough ride...
Jim:
Right...
Murry:
We have
definitely
considered getting
financial partners
for that asset. When
you fill a pipeline,
the cost of capital
goes down, and there
might be a good
arbitrage for our
shareholders. We're
definitely looking
at that.
Jim:
We love it on
Mad Money. Murry
Gerber, chairman and
CEO of EQT. Thank
you for continuing
to deliver for all
your shareholders...
really appreciate
it.
Murry:
Great. Thanks
Jim.
Jim:
Great to have
you.▼ ▼
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Jim's
comments AFTER the
interview:
The guy's a
winner... the
stock's a winner...
nat gas is a winner.
You're a winner.
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