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Jim:
What is the
takeaway when a
total
pastiche/mosaic
of a company
reports a
totally blow out
better than
expected
quarter… that is
when I find
myself asking
with
Jarden Corp. (JAH)…
a consumer goods
company that is
simply all over
the place when
it comes to
brands and
products… every
one of which you
know… every one…
Jarden has the
number one
position in
market share in
baseball gloves…
in camp stoves,
yes Coleman’s…
sleeping bags…
blenders…
moisturizer…
coffer makers,
Mr. Coffee… slow
cookers… fire
logs.. .matches…
come on, Diamond
International…
playing cards…
as you probably
know, I mean
think about
this, Mr.
Coffee, Oster,
Crock-Pot,
Coleman,
Rawlings,
Bicycle Playing
Cards, Pine
Mountain Fire
Logs… because
where there is
fire, there is
usually smoke…
First Alert
Smoke Alarms…
and best for
last… something
that I have to
endorse… the
Jimmy Buffet
Margarita
machine… I am a
proud owner of
this… including
the tote bag, I
take it
everywhere… I
will take it to
your house when
we do the
Lightning Round.
Now, last
Wednesday Jarden
reported a
phenomenal
quarter… it
delivered .93
cents of
earnings… .12
cents higher
than what the
street was
looking for…
despite the fact
that sales came
in a little bit
below
expectations…
cash flow was up
huge… margins
trending higher…
Jarden’s
customers
inventory levels
are at historic
lows… its stock
is up 29% year
to date… how
about a dividend
too?… I mean
what does this
company not
offer?… what
does the quarter
tell us?… look
at Mr. Coffee
and Crock-Pot
sales, up 5%
year to date and
say that it
bodes well for
the US economy…
is this company,
a big acquirer,
looking to do a
transformation
deal like
Stanley Works
just put
together with
Black & Decker
tonight… or is
Jarden just
executing well?…
and that is the
only conclusion
that we should
reach?… should
not over think
it… perhaps good
news for Jarden
is good news for
Jarden.
And the most
important take
away is that
this is a well
run company that
really knows
what it is
doing… if you
look at Jarden’s
products the one
thing that they
tend to have in
common is
affordability…
most of the
companies
products sell
for less than
$30 a piece…
diverse brands
dominate the
specific niches
and Jarden
was able to take
market share
during the slow
down…one of the
reasons why
management
thinks that the
company can grow
organically next
year… it is
expanding its
global reach, it
used to be all
domestic… 2003,
international
sales only 5%…
now 32% and
going higher..
Jarden has been
taking share… it
has been
pants-ing
the competition…
because it has
the right brands
and the right
products… I have
to tell you,
they dominate
whole aisles…
whole aisles… I
want to know if
this run can
continue… so
let’s hear from
the man behind
the brands,
Martin Franklin,
the CEO of
Jarden Corp. (JAH)…
Jim:
Mr. Franklin,
welcome to Mad
Money...
Martin:
Thank you Jim,
pleasure to be here.
Jim: Okay, I admit I
had my doubts… I had
my doubts, this was
a legend… Mr.
Franklin came to see
me at my old hedge
fund years ago and
everyone told me,
taking down too much
debt, really has got
much bigger eyes
than you….. really
you had your eyes on
becoming a huge
conglomerate… I was
doubtful… walk me
thru how you built
all these brands
that are now whole
aisles of discounts.
Martin:
Look the
philosophy has not
changed for the last
8 years, I have been
building this
business. You know
we built a great
team. And the
strategy has been
dominate market
share, niche
markets, and equity.
And we have been
looking for
companies that have
real histories of
defensible market
positions and strong
cash flows. And we
just stuck to our
knitting. And if you
go thru the entire
portfolio,
everything that we
have done, whether
it be in the
appliance space
under the businesses
that we built around
John Consumer
Solutions Division,
including Crock-Pot
and Sunbeam and
Osterizer, all of
these brands
dominate their niche
markets. The same
thing goes for our
positions with the
outside sporting
good world. You know
today we are the
largest sporting
goods equipment
company in the
world, and all of
our brands in their
respective niches
are the number one
player. So when the
going gets tough,
you know the economy
has gotten tougher,
what has happened is
that we have been
able to grow share
to offset the
shrinking components
of the marketplace.
And when the economy
rebounds those
market share gains
should really come
thru on the top
line.
Jim: Well, you are
not done… in the
conference call you
talk about wanting
to move into the
juvenile and into
the over 55... now I
would think that
juvenile would be
car seats or
something like that…
I do not know what
the over 55 is… so
tell me what I am
buying?
Martin:
Well, just
looking at general
demographics. So we
have got a lot of
products that are 8
or 9 years old up
thru the 55. We are
looking at the
juvenile space. We
are spending a
little more time
definitely on that.
We have not seen
things that we like.
Jim: Is this like
toys?
Martin:
No, not
toys. Things like
consumables, baby
bottles and things
like that. A little
more value added, a
little more unique.
We are also looking
for things that will
diversify business
internationally. We
are about 32% of
sales today
internationally. We
would like to get
closer towards 50%.
You know, as a
defense. Now we have
build this business
to a $5.2b plus
base. We are
starting to think a
little more
strategically about
how we want to
develop the
business. Not for
the next year, but
for the next 3
years, 5 years, 10
years.
Jim: Then what do
you think about
tonight’s Black &
Decker Stanley Works
combination?
Martin:
I think that
it is a tremendous
idea. The market
obviously likes it.
I think that it is
good for the
consumer space.
Jim: Tell us why… I
think the people at
home are saying,
wait a second, Black
& Decker used to
pitted against
Stanley Works… I
used to get lower
prices for tools…
how is that good?
Martin:
Retailers
want to deal with
more sophisticated,
fewer vendors that
they can work with.
With programs that
are ever more
efficient than they
used to be. Whether
it be trimming
inventories. Finding
efficiencies to
bring down costs.
All of those kind of
things. Obviously a
combination of those
two kinds of
companies plays
right into that. And
that is what has
happened for us.
Finding efficiencies
to provide more to
one customer
providing the whole
gamut.
Jim: Alright,
consumers of your
stock got pretty
lucky this year. I
know a lot of
companies like
yours… the short
sellers were all
over them, they were
pressuring you. You
had some deadlines
to be able to raise
money. You did a
phenomenal
secondary. Which was
you tapped the
market for $200m to
the issue of 12
million shares at
$17.50, that also
helped your bonds
and everything. It
was a virtuous
circle right?
Martin:
Yes,
virtuous circles is
the right word. We
actually did not
need any money. We
knew internally that
we did not need any
money. But our view
was the market was
looking for that.
They wanted some
reassurance that we
could go to the
capital markets if
we wanted to.
Because of that it
tightened up our
spreads. We did a ?
offering off of the
back of that and
then we did an
amended extend on
about $600b of our
?. You know we got
$640m in cash on
hand. Which
basically became
free cash. Because
we generate so much
cash flow every year
that we really do
not need the capital
markets anymore
today to fund our
obligations.
Jim: One last
question, why put a
dividend in when you
have such great
growth prospects and
you could use that
to buy somebody
else?
Martin:
You know 80%
of the S&P 500
consumer stocks pay
a dividend. That is
our goal long term
to get to be that
kind of company. And
it is just a part of
the maturation
process of our
business. It is also
gives us access to
income funds that we
never had before. I
never knew how to
pay a dividend.
Jim: I bet you 10
years ago you had a
tiny company, you
came in and said
that you would have
a great, huge
company that would
dominate aisle
spaces. I doubted
you. I was wrong.
Martin Franklin is
Chairman and CEO of
Jarden Corp. (JAH)
He has
put it together.
Thank you for making
money for people,
you have done a
great job.
Martin:
Thank you.
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